Saying 'you helped me with this after God'

By Ibn Baz, Abd al-Aziz ibn Abd Allah

حكم قول: أنت ساعدتني في كذا بعد الله

A question whether one may say to a person 'it was you who helped me with such-and-such after God', in which Ibn Baz answered that there is no harm in it, nor in saying 'were it not for God and then you', 'this is from God and then from you', or 'you helped me after God with such-and-such'; what is not permitted is joining with the conjunction 'and', as in 'were it not for God and you', 'this is from God and you', or 'what God wills and you', since it is this 'and' that is impermissible, whereas 'then' and 'after' are unobjectionable.

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A question about saying to a person 'you helped me with this after God', in which Ibn Baz answered that there is no harm in it, as with 'were it not for God and then you', and that what is forbidden is joining the two with 'and', as in 'were it not for God and you'. 1

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The questioner asked: is it permissible to say, for example, 'it was you who helped me with such-and-such after God'? 1

The answer

Ibn Baz answered that there is no harm in it: saying 'were it not for God and then you', 'this is from God and then from you', or 'you helped me after God with such-and-such' is unobjectionable. 1 He said that what is not permitted is to say 'were it not for God and you', 'this is from God and you', or 'what God wills and you', for it is this 'and' that is impermissible; but if one says 'were it not for God and then you', 'what God wills and then what so-and-so wills' because he helped him, or 'you helped me after God with such-and-such', there is no harm. 1

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This answer was published on binbaz.org.sa, the official site of Ibn Baz's legacy, as no. 4050 under the heading of miscellaneous questions of creed, with no date on the page. 1 The museum records this text as a historical document attributed to the body or scholar that issued it; it issues no ruling of its own.

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  1. BinBaz.org.sa , fatwa 4050

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